Oct 04, 2009, 05:46 PM // 17:46
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#41
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Frost Gate Guardian
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'Support' is another word for 'bad'. I've been replacing the words with each other and so far no confusion.
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Oct 04, 2009, 10:24 PM // 22:24
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#42
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Mar 2008
Profession: Me/
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Originally Posted by gremlin
The entire game boils down to speed kill and speed clear is what some of you seem to be saying.
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Blame Anet. They only think about damage.
Unlike Wizards of the Coast with Magic the Gathering. They have aggro, control, and combo.
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Oct 05, 2009, 12:21 AM // 00:21
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Jul 2009
Profession: R/Mo
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Originally Posted by Chthon
What exactly does a "supporter" do?
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I think what he means by "supporter" is someone who helps other players with their role and makes their job easier.
For example take a standard burning arrow build (I KNOW IT IS NOT A GOOD BUILD FOR PVE BUT IT IS JUST AN EXAMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).
Say you have:
Burning Arrow
Savage Shot
Distracting Shot
Pin Down
Apply Poison
Now say if a warrior is chasing one of your monks and the ranger sees this, he would cripple him with pin down.
If the ranger sees a caster using an important skill he would d shot/savage shot.
If the party is trying to spike or pressure a target, burning arrow + apply poison for extra damage.
As you can see a ranger does not excel amazingly at any of these, the damage, warriors do WAY better, the shutting down, mesmers do better, the snaring, eles do better. However, the fact a ranger can do ALL these things PLUS MORE all in one build is where their strength lies. They "support" other players in what they are trying to do. They can adapt to alomst any situation. This is probably why rangers excel at PvP, and it is probably why you don't see rangers being sought after in parties in PvE.
So are rangers useless....? In my opinion, to some extent yes, because a party can role without that little extra damage or that one skill interrupted or that one blinded melee etc. However, they make a parties life a hell of a lot easier and if I'm not on my own ranger I would accept another ranger into my party gladly.
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Oct 05, 2009, 12:48 AM // 00:48
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#44
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Sep 2008
Guild: [YUM]
Profession: R/
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Rangers blow.
But they have cool armor and they're fun.
Either run, Glass Arrows spike, Incendiary Arrows, or a scythe build.
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Oct 05, 2009, 12:55 AM // 00:55
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Oct 2006
Guild: GWAR
Profession: Me/Mo
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The game was created as a team game not a solo game.
If you farm or generally play solo then yes rangers suck and your far better off as an assassin - warrior or Elementalist those classes can do very well and kill pretty quickly.
However as a team game rangers very much have their place all the classes do.
If the pve world was random and you never knew what you were likely to face out there than the team game would be more popular.
Its only by knowing precisely the position composition and numbers of your enemies that make the solo game possible.
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Oct 05, 2009, 03:12 AM // 03:12
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#46
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Spain
Guild: LHV
Profession: R/N
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Originally Posted by Chthon
The word "rage" might describe one of us, but I don't think it's me....
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Oh yes it describes you . Nothing but rage and lack of knowledge can describe your words against rangers.
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Originally Posted by Chthon
Same question then: What exactly does a "supporter" do?
Or explain how it is none of those things, yet still worth doing.
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Really ? so you can distort things and turn this into a "yarrrr warrr , GW = kill and heal yarrr" ? no thanks.
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Originally Posted by Chthon
If you had a solid build, you would have posted it instead of launching into ad noobinem attacks on me personally. "I have a great build but I refuse to show it to anyone" fools nobody. I say you don't have a great non-disruption-based ranger build, because none exists. Posting a great non-disruption-based ranger build would prove me wrong. Name-calling me a "noob" a thousand times will not prove anything, and only highlights the weakness of your evidence.
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I didnt call names to no one , dont lie. Lacking experience with something doesnt mean you are a newbie , stop distorting my words.
You are not fooling no one either , dear god you spoke about BHA being great meanwhile all ppl with a main ranger laughs at you. Ive given advices many times at this forum , there are many options for ranger builds and im not going to post 1 build so you can complain about lacking damage, interrupts, or whatever. I wont spend any effort in making you think rangers are not useless . Not being best at X =\= useless .Fact.
Throwing random BS on rangers doesnt make it true , please now YOU post builds that show your great experience with rangers . I want to see those "so good but still poor" builds you play that make you think like that.
Seriously , just calling rangers ""versatile" characters that do multiple things poorly" shows a very distorted version of reality. Like i said before , not being the best at one task doesnt mean that they do it poorly. For god sake , you dont have mid terms , all for you its :This rox or this sux. Narrow minds ftl.
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Oct 05, 2009, 09:57 AM // 09:57
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: South of Norway - The land of Vikings
Guild: I have no guild - Yet
Profession: R/
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In my experience, Rangers are difficult to solo with.
But it's great to play in teams. You can do whatever you like and still help out a lot. Conditionspammer, spiker, damage dealer, even tank a little.
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Oct 05, 2009, 10:27 AM // 10:27
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#48
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Nov 2007
Guild: Illusion of skillz [Iz]
Profession: W/E
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Originally Posted by Ccat
'Support' is another word for 'bad'. I've been replacing the words with each other and so far no confusion.
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So monks are bad now? (monks are purely a support class)
Support works well if your running balanced teams
as Far as rangers in Pve Apply poison + Incendary arrows is still epic lols for tossing nasty degen around
and barrage rangers spam Save yourselves amazingly well (chace for 6 adren every time barrage is used couple that with for great justice and you have the best SY spam in the game)
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Oct 05, 2009, 11:02 AM // 11:02
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#49
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Frost Gate Guardian
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Originally Posted by dusanyu
So monks are bad now? (monks are purely a support class)
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Well, my exact definition of support was 'a label for a build that can't do anything as well as others'. Monks 'heal', Warriors 'damage', bad classes 'support'. I'm sure it's just me since I despise the phrasing 'support for hard mode and elite missions' on PvX cause it pretty much defines a build I will never ever use. But these builds are usually crap, and anything that does what it does well should come out and say it (like they usually do). They should move away from that excuse of a category.
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Originally Posted by dusanyu
and barrage rangers spam Save yourselves amazingly well (chace for 6 adren every time barrage is used couple that with for great justice and you have the best SY spam in the game)
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can, but won't. Whereas Warriors, Paragons and Assassins can keep their SY! up through constant single target DPS, Rangers are required to have groups or they are sat there taking years to build up 1 SY!. Which is bad. The method isn't reliable save for places like FoW or ToPK where they are nicely clumped for you, and even then it can all go pete tong.
Besides, even if they could spam SY! with no definite problems the problem still stands they're not as good with damage, whereas Warriors can back that up with damage and keep the SY! spam too.
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Oct 05, 2009, 08:36 PM // 20:36
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Apr 2009
Guild: FaZ
Profession: D/
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Triple Shot and Dual Shot say hi.
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Oct 05, 2009, 09:17 PM // 21:17
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#51
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Frost Gate Guardian
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On the contrary double strikes and high attack rates say hi right back.
Triple Shot and Dual Shot have 10 second recharges, which makes them the equivalent of Spear of Fury on a Paragon - a help out and unreliable. Taking into account you need to spam SY! indefinitely to keep up with a Warrior, and SY! is 6 seconds at optimum rank...
Not only that but Triple Shot and Dual Shot at optimum rank deal 75% less damage per arrow, but Warriors can have Sun and Moon Slash at no penalty, as an unblockable attack and reap lots of benefit from SoH. There's just too many downsides for me personally to say that Rangers can keep up with the rest of the SY! spammers.
Finally, Dual and Triple still come out at the same nasty rate with only a finite, 22 second IAS to back it up (if using Dwarven Stability, in any other case it's a measly 11 seconds), which probably only gets it up to normal attack speed of a Warrior anyway.
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Oct 05, 2009, 09:38 PM // 21:38
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: so cal
Profession: R/
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as a primary ranger who's h/h'ed for 99% of my experience in GW, I can see that in a group I've found myself playing support (once I initiate aggro) by settling mid-line and tabbing through the priority targets. I never once thought that I was doing great damage, but I know that I was being highly effective with BHA, d-shot, savage and PI, Finish Him! when needed. But not really having played many other higher-damage classes I've never felt like I've missed anything. As a solo artist - rangers can do many different farms, including UW (ranger/rit), FOW, many HM spots. I've created a sin, monk, and rit to do other farms, but still found that my ranger can do certain farms more effectively than any of those other three classes, imo. For example, HM fire imp farming, HM snowman farming, HM dragon moss farming, and select others. Again, I'm not implying that other classes don't outfarm/outdamage rangers, but I'm saying that rangers can and do fill certain roles and can perform certain farms more effectively, imo.
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Oct 05, 2009, 09:58 PM // 21:58
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#53
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Grotto Attendant
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Originally Posted by akhil
I think what he means by "supporter" is someone who helps other players with their role and makes their job easier....
However, the fact a ranger can do ALL these things PLUS MORE all in one build is where their strength lies. They "support" other players in what they are trying to do. They can adapt to alomst any situation.
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1. Thank you for posting a reasoned and civil attempt to explain what "support" might mean. While I largely disagree with you, I find your tone agreeable.
2. I have no idea if what you describe is what Tenebrae meant by "support" or not, since he refuses to define or explain it. I'm inclined to suspect CCat's definition accurately describes the builds (if we ever see them), but I have absolutely no clue what the intended meaning was.
3. Let me try to describe why you can always do better things with a party slot than the "helper" function you describe. The key phrase is this:
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They can adapt to alomst any situation
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In PvE, there's nothing to adapt to. You know exactly what you're facing before you zone in. Why adapt when you can plan? Figure out what capabilities your team needs to have and in what degree, configure your 64 skillslots to meet those needs in the most efficient way available, and dedicate any extra skillslots to more damage.
A situation where a "helper" build makes a difference is a situation that you failed to plan for. Only where your overall team has a big weakness can a helper build make a real difference -- in which case you'd be better off using the party slot for a build that more directly and effectively addresses the problems. For instance, if Apply Poison is making a real difference in the team's damage output, and Pin Down is making a real difference in keeping the monk alive, then your party has problems with damage output and damage prevention, so a better choice would be a character focusing on fixing those two problems, like a Dragon Slash warrior with SY! for example. And what if your party is deficient in so many areas that a build doing 6 different things poorly makes a real difference in every area? Time to get a different team.
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Originally Posted by Tenebrae
Nothing but rage and lack of knowledge can describe your words against rangers.
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"Rage" implies a strong and passionate anger. My primary feeling on the topic is apathy, tinged with bemusement and annoyance. I'm sticking around this thread mostly because I have a tiny bit of hope that someone will surprise me with a ranger build good enough to disprove what I've been saying.
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Really ? so you can distort things and turn this into a "yarrrr warrr , GW = kill and heal yarrr" ? no thanks.
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Well, yes. You should explain what you mean by "support," and then be prepared to defend it as worthwhile. Since no one understood your point (except maybe akhil), unless you explain yourself better, we're going to just go on assuming you never had one.
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I didnt call names to no one , dont lie.
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1. Your implication was clearly insulting. Likewise, your implication that I cannot tell when I'm being impliedly insulted is also insulting.
2. Your reply consisted solely of an ad hominem fallacy. You did not dedicate even a single word to addressing the merits of what I had to say. Rather you repeatedly insisted that I'm a noob, with the implication that, if I am a noob, then anything I say must be wrong, so what I have said in this thread is wrong. First, I am not a noob; I have in fact been playing a primary ranger since short after launch - probably longer than you. Second, even if I were a noob, that would have absolutely no bearing on whether or not what I have said is correct. Ideas must be judged by their own merits, not by who happens to be speaking them at the time.
So, let's try this again: Aside from disruption, anything worth doing that a ranger can do can be done substantially better by another class. If you disagree with that statement, please present an argument against it and not against me personally.
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Throwing random BS on rangers doesnt make it true , please now YOU post builds that show your great experience with rangers
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Ahh, it seems you are trying to put me on the spot. If I don't post a build, you intend to paint me as a hypocrite who asks for builds, but won't post them. But, if I do post a build, you intend to immediately declare it vastly inferior to your still-never-posted build, with the implication that someone with such an inferior build is a noob who lacks "great experience with rangers", so I am a noob, so anything I say must be wrong, so what I have said in this thread is wrong. One way I'm a hypocrite and the other way I'm a noob; and either way it's the ad hominem fallacy all over again.
You are (deliberately I suspect) ignoring a crucial distinction. You claim to have a build that, if posted, would serve as a counter-example to disprove what I'm saying. I've never made that sort of claim. In fact, I specifically claim that I don't have any great ranger builds (and neither do you). Now, if you ever actually posted a (non-disruption-based) ranger build, then the onus would be on me to produce a better build from another class that did the same thing better, or admit that your ranger build was the best option for what it did. Until then, unless you post a (non-disruption-based) ranger build that does something worthwhile better than any other class can do it, I'm going to continue assuming that you don't really have such a build, since it doesn't exist.
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(History buffs might be interested to see that I got the exact same sort of hostile response the second-to-previous time I said that a class is second-rate. And that turned out well in the end... at least until it got nerfed to heck.)
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Oct 05, 2009, 11:28 PM // 23:28
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#54
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Spain
Guild: LHV
Profession: R/N
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Originally Posted by Chthon
"Rage" implies a strong and passionate anger. My primary feeling on the topic is apathy, tinged with bemusement and annoyance. I'm sticking around this thread mostly because I have a tiny bit of hope that someone will surprise me with a ranger build good enough to disprove what I've been saying.
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So you are throwing shit on rangers just to see if someone cares enough to show off some builds or usage with diff teams ? wow .... you should try asking nicely instead using provocation.
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Originally Posted by Chthon
Well, yes. You should explain what you mean by "support," and then be prepared to defend it as worthwhile. Since no one understood your point (except maybe akhil), unless you explain yourself better, we're going to just go on assuming you never had one.
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Seems to me that you are the only one that doesnt understand a word that is very well defined itself. Im not talking about supporting musicians or artists or anything else , im not english but in my country we dont explain words that anyone can read in the dictionary. Btw , useless means they have NO USE so i think we agree they do have at least one ? .
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Originally Posted by Chthon
1. Your implication was clearly insulting. Likewise, your implication that I cannot tell when I'm being impliedly insulted is also insulting.
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Thats your own vision , i only used sarcasm to point out that is totally unnecesary to compare rangers to damage dealers or necros or whatever you did on your first post.
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Originally Posted by Chthon
2. Your reply consisted solely of an ad hominem fallacy. You did not dedicate even a single word to addressing the merits of what I had to say. Rather you repeatedly insisted that I'm a noob, with the implication that, if I am a noob, then anything I say must be wrong, so what I have said in this thread is wrong. First, I am not a noob; I have in fact been playing a primary ranger since short after launch - probably longer than you. Second, even if I were a noob, that would have absolutely no bearing on whether or not what I have said is correct.
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Still distorting reality and assuming that you are right. I really doubt you are playing a ranger since GW release and im so sure is not your main , any1 can tell but at this point i ( and no one ) cares about it.
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Originally Posted by Chthon
So, let's try this again: Aside from disruption, anything worth doing that a ranger can do can be done substantially better by another class. If you disagree with that statement, please present an argument against it and not against me personally.
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You dont back up your words but i have to back up mine ? nah , doesnt work like that. Take out "substantially" and we agree , otherwise , you are dead wrong. If a damage dealer is 10/10 , a ranger doing that task is not 3/10 , is about 6 or 7 so that "substantially" is totally out of place.
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Originally Posted by Chthon
Ahh, it seems you are trying to put me on the spot. If I don't post a build, you intend to paint me as a hypocrite who asks for builds, but won't post them. But, if I do post a build, bla bla bla pointless words.
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Oh its seems like you read my mind , THAT is what i think about you , THAT is WHY i wont post any builds.
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Originally Posted by Chthon
You are (deliberately I suspect) ignoring a crucial distinction. You claim to have a build that, if posted, would serve as a counter-example to disprove what I'm saying. I've never made that sort of claim. In fact, I specifically claim that I don't have any great ranger builds (and neither do you). Now, if you ever actually posted a (non-disruption-based) ranger build, then the onus would be on me to produce a better build from another class that did the same thing better, or admit that your ranger build was the best option for what it did. Until then, unless you post a (non-disruption-based) ranger build that does something worthwhile better than any other class can do it, I'm going to continue assuming that you don't really have such a build, since it doesn't exist.
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You are now making things up because :
1- I never said that i had a build of any kind , in fact i never said i used only 1 build.
2- It looks like a great contradiction to me , a 4 year Ranger user asking for builds and claiming BHA and Barrage are good elites .... nah , those statements left you naked pal .
3- You stick to the non-disruption build for something i dont know, maybe you have some build but you dont post it and call me hypochrite for not posting some of mine.
4- This post is not about builds , in fact , asking for builds is forbidden i think and the more you talk , the more you look like you created a ranger 4 years ago and barely played it so i said before , im not going to show / teach you nothing.
You wanna play the game ?. Lets start without builds , lets start by telling us WHY do rangers have to be played / compared to necros or damage dealers ? and then tell us how big is that diff . 180dps to 60dps ? more or less ?.
I will tell you something , as supports , i think rangers can ONLY be compared to Paragons and Ritualists and in some cases to Support Eles . Is just that i dont get why (pvx)people just think of GW =damage+heal , anything else is sht . If you think like that , i wont bother anymore .
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Oct 05, 2009, 11:53 PM // 23:53
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#55
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Zul'Aman
Guild: Umes Uranger U[bot]
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You can have SoH x 2, not sure if the 33% dmg buff on pets multiplies damage buffs on it too. Can't really test the impact of IMS allowing both ranger and pet to reach melee range faster.
No idea if energy would hold with zealous daggers either.
No idea if that can compete for awesome single target dps.
I just threw that build together in 10 seconds sorry for lack of testing. My ranger doesn't have the gear or the pve skills yet.
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Oct 06, 2009, 12:47 AM // 00:47
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#56
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Pre-Searing Cadet
Join Date: Jun 2009
Profession: R/Mo
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Originally Posted by Tys Angel
My main is my ranger, my first char, had since game came out. Ive invested alot into her--time,gold, titles maxed etc. But now im kind of regretting it. I feel like Rangers are sort of useless lately. It seems like everything a ranger can do, some other class can do better. cough assasins cough. It was better when you could trap more effeciently and actually farm. I do enjoy interrupting, but that only does so much for me. Now i dont see the point of being on a ranger anymore. What do rangers do that other classes cant?? What makes it fun for you?
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Oh My!!! In my over 3 years playing Guild Wars I have never seen so pessimistic post about a ranger. It looks you just created a Ranger for Farming purposes instead of actual play. I got 2 rangers mains. My Male R/Mo and my Female R/Me both although practically share the same skills their roles and teamplay and far from being the same. They got their titles, weapons, armors, blablabla and are far from useless as you may find yours. What makes them FUN to me? I'll Show you.
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ranger
What does the first paragraph says about rangers?
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The Ranger is a versatile ranged attacker. While they do not provide as much damage as other professions, they are valued for their versatility. Rangers are renowned especially for their ability to interrupt enemies and the ease at which they spread conditions notably thanks to traps and preparations. They are one of the more survivable classes due to their mid-level armor, arsenal of defensive stances, and self-healing skills. Additionally, a Ranger has the highest armor versus elemental damage of any of the professions. Another feature of the Ranger profession is the ability to tame a pet to aid you in combat. Furthermore, their primary attribute alone can merit using the Ranger as a primary profession, even for builds that do not use many Ranger skills or bow attacks (Touch Ranger or Thumper). Because of all this, a Ranger can fill in many gaps in a party. The patron goddess of Rangers is Melandru.
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http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Troll_Unguent
What does the Notes says?
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Notes
* This is one of the most energy efficient heals in the game. However it can only be applied to oneself, and is very susceptible to interruption with its long activation time.
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http://www.guildwars.com/gameplay/professions/ranger/
Did you read the manual specifically the Ranger Profession? mmm I think not.
Ranger
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The Ranger is more in touch with living nature than any other profession. Where the Elementalist harnesses and tames the power of the elements, the Ranger lives as one with life in all its abundance, and utilizes unique survival skills that come from this connection. Rangers can perform Nature Rituals that manipulate the environment to hinder enemies, or draw on the power of the wilderness to heal and assist allies in battle. The Ranger can also tame the beasts of the wild and command them to fight at the Ranger's side. The Ranger is the master of the targeted distance attack and Rangers get the most out of ranged weapons like bows. The Ranger's primary attribute, Expertise, demonstrates the benefits of communing with nature. Attack skills and Preparations (like Apply Poison) will use less energy with the more points you pour into Expertise. In a party, the Ranger is often called upon to pull foes toward the group with a well-aimed arrow. Rangers combine effectively with any secondary profession that performs well at a distance.
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In PVP you have no idea the joy of doing the life miserable to casters(eles, necros, monks) at Jade Quarry if you do your homework you'll know what they are running and just wait for the right moment to become their worst nightmare and enjoy watching them running away as soon as they spot you or even as they try to stand against you 1 on 1. Fort Aspenwood Kurzick area watching from the walls as they approach and picking key targets makes them far from easy to breach the gates.
Every Profession has it's Pros and Cons, Rangers are not perfect but they got their place if you know what they can do better and use it. Rangers are not warriors they attack from distance and stalk for the right moment to strike.
P.S. (Don't put so much faith into permas, their days are numbered, and already got their tombstones ready besides the one from Ursan Blessing.)
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Oct 06, 2009, 12:52 AM // 00:52
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#57
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Grotto Attendant
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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow
You can have SoH x 2, not sure if the 33% dmg buff on pets multiplies damage buffs on it too. Can't really test the impact of IMS allowing both ranger and pet to reach melee range faster.
No idea if energy would hold with zealous daggers either.
No idea if that can compete for awesome single target dps.
I just threw that build together in 10 seconds sorry for lack of testing. My ranger doesn't have the gear or the pve skills yet.
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1. Clever.
2. Yes, the 33% boost on pets applies to buffs. The functionality is identical to Asuran Scan.
3. Even without testing I see that the damage output will be high enough to at least be in the right ballpark with good warrior & sin builds.
4. Unfortunately, damage is all this build does. Most good physicals are dual-function (damage + SY!) or triple-function (damage + SY! + KD). You might consider dropping RaO for Brawling Headbutt or GDW (remember buffs get the 33% multiplier). That would get you up to 2 functions, albeit without SY!. (I hate giving up RoA, but it's that or Asuran Scan...) I'd have to try it out before I decide if the lack of SY! is fatal -- which I will.
If you wanted to fit SY! into the build, you end up with something like this:
Keeping SY! up requires that your SoH character also run Dark Fury (and Orders isn't a bad idea given Volley).
Call of Haste can be switched for Feral Aggression, but I prefer the IMS over a little more damage because of the difference it makes with the pet AI.
[Edit: Fixed suggested build. Moronic mindless copy/paste error on my part.]
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Originally Posted by Tenebrae
Oh its seems like you read my mind , THAT is what i think about you , THAT is WHY i wont post any builds.
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That's funny. Because were refusing to post your "I have a great build but won't show it to anyone" build before you ever asked me for a build. For that matter, you were refusing to post it even before I ever posted in the thread. You don't have any build(s) to back up your position, because none exist. If you had one, you'd have posted it by now instead of lashing out and calling me a noob over and over.
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Oct 06, 2009, 02:00 AM // 02:00
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#58
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jul 2007
Guild: [IG]
Profession: R/
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So how well do those 2 BM builds work without a pet ?
Currently trying :-
Never Rampage Alone
Asuran Scan
Spear of Fury
Blazing Spear
Enraged Lunge
Scavengers Strike
GDW
Comfort Animal
Deep Wound with 40% KD and some healthy damage although I do seem to arse up the GDW casting a fair bit at the moment
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Oct 06, 2009, 03:14 AM // 03:14
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#59
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Grotto Attendant
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Originally Posted by Aldric
So how well do those 2 BM builds work without a pet ?
Currently trying :-
Never Rampage Alone
Asuran Scan
Spear of Fury
Blazing Spear
Enraged Lunge
Scavengers Strike
GDW
Comfort Animal
Deep Wound with 40% KD and some healthy damage although I do seem to arse up the GDW casting a fair bit at the moment
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Lol, good catch. Fixed it now. Stupid mindless copy-pasting ftw!
I'm too lazy to calculate it out at the moment, but I wonder if GftE might add more DPS than BS given the damage bonus on the pet.
Last edited by Chthon; Oct 06, 2009 at 03:19 AM // 03:19..
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Oct 06, 2009, 04:59 AM // 04:59
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haha, I like that daggers build, especially with the idea of adding the pet. Two opinions would be: "Why can't sins run that?" and "What about a good build with bows?"
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